Talk:USS Excelsior

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Shouldn't this page be a disambiguation page, with links to pages for NCC-2000 and for NCC-77246?

Contents 1 Disambiguation 2 Agreed 3 A few thoughts.... 4 Second or no? 5 Families 6 Signing articles

Disambiguation

Since the ship is the focus of the show, I think disambiguation is inappropriate. While it might be acceptable to add a See Also reference to the other starships that have held the name, I hasten to point out that it's made clear that this wiki isn't intended to be a comprehensive Trek referenence -- other wikis do it better -- it's intended to be a reference for Hidden Frontier the show first and foremost. --/carlos 13:35, 22 July 2006 (PDT)

Agreed

USS Excelsior should refer only to this series' starship.

A few thoughts....

I'll try to go from top to bottom here - and this is my first time - be gentle:

1. It would appear that the ship's assignment and senior staff has been updated to reflect OBS (not sure if that counts as a spoiler any more given the release of the preview or not). However, the specs of the ship of not been updated to reflect OBS (at least noting the modifications if not the name of the class - I cannot recall off-hand from the forum discussions whether the refit classified her as a Galaxy-IV or not). In any case, I would recommend updating the image shown to reflect OBS if we're going to change the crew roster (keep the existing one as a reference and label it appropriately), as well as adding a paragraph describing the refit, any changes to her operational capabilities, etc. either under the first section or under "Design and Modifications". As I'm not privy to any ship details, I'll let someone "in the know" tackle this recommendation, if it works for everyone.

I would suggest getting Jonathan to update the technical specs as he probably have them. Beo 12:26, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Does he come through here regularly, or should I PM him in the forums? DHillMSP 19:53, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Not as much as I used to, but I will put together the specs for Excelsior once more, and make the appropriate modifications in her white sheet to reflect her status as a Mark IV, Mod 1 starship. --Capell 23:52, 1 October 2008 (PDT)

2. Speaking of operational capabilities, I'm wondering - the Pandora, Odyssey and Helena list basic ship specifications in their articles, however Excelsior does not. I'm thinking we should standardize this somehow, on a go-forward basis. I'm wondering if it might not be better to let the "class" pages take on this role, with "Design and Modifications" describing any modifications made for the ships seen on-screen. Thoughts?

Possibly. Although I honestly recommend tech specs being kept to the individual ships as they can vary class to class. However, having a standardized template page for these is probably a good idea. Beo 12:26, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Standardised template sounds like a good idea. Daniel Hunter 12:42, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Sounds like we're all agreed, at least thus far. Should probably take the template notion into its own discussion at some point, then - I'd rate that as a "nice to have" as opposed to a "must have" right now. DHillMSP 19:53, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Ultimately, I'd agree, but we don't have too many identical ships in the show, so it's still appropriate for us to list specs where the ship has had enough screen time to warrant additional attention. I could go either way on that, but however you guys want to play it, I'm cool.--Capell 23:52, 1 October 2008 (PDT)

3. No helmsman? She's flying herself now?  ;) Ditto for the Ops Manager position, which isn't even listed (did we get rid of the job? ;). Is the MO here that we're only concerned about positions seen on-screen or only when an established character is filling them? Having looked at the other "major" Starfleet ships on the Wiki (i.e. Helena and Odyssey), Ops Manager is missing from all of them.

Intrepid has an Ops manager. The template in the ship box allows for custom positions to be added in. But some ships don't have them I think. If an Ops Manager isn't established then there's no reason to create and list the character just for the wiki. Beo 12:26, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

That's cool - that clears things up.  :) Thanks! DHillMSP 19:53, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Many ships don't even have formal operations officer positions. This set of duties can just as easily be absorbed by an engineering officer. I agree with the rest of the group though - we don't need to put the post there with a name if it isn't a position usually present in the respective show.--Capell 23:52, 1 October 2008 (PDT)

4. As for "Mission History" - I'm thinking a link to the HF episode list, along with Orphans of War and OBS with a notation of the years/stardates the events took place would be appropriate. Her history is a bit big to put here, methinks, and encompasses the entirety of HF along with those two shows.

Possibly a cliff notes version would be good, for ship specific history. Bullet points, with a link to the relevant episode pages. Beo 12:26, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

That's probably best. I'm going to put this on my back burner for the moment and come back to it as I can - that's a big one, methinks. :) DHillMSP 19:53, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

5. Personally, I'd drop the "Acting" notation from Naros' listing under "Former Crew". Admittedly, he did captain the Excelsior for a while, but that was in his role as First Officer/second-in-command. While he was an "acting captain" during those times, that's a position and not his rank - as I recall, he was still a Commander at the time. Also, I don't believe his having received a field commission to Captain by Knapp would justify the "Acting" notation - once Mr. Crusher was given a field commission to full Ensign, he was no longer referred to as an "Acting Ensign" - he got to wear the uniform and have all the privileges, etc. of that rank. It might be a nit-pick, but having worn a uniform at one point in my life, I pick up on these things.  ;)

I can agree with that. If you want to make the changes ;-) Beo 12:26, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Done.  :) DHillMSP 19:40, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

That's all the discussion I have on the notation - I'll go through and make some minor modifications to the article.

Cheers!

Second or no?

I'm wondering if we shouldn't be a bit firmer on the Excelsior being the nth starship to bear the name. Just fix it in the canon and be done with it, methinks.  ;)

Families

I'm guessing that since her relocation to the Beta Quadrant, Excelsior's civilian contingent is no longer located at DS12? I'm thinking a change to indicate that the current mention of crew compliment and family location was during the conflict.

Signing articles

Hi there DHill:

As this is your first time on a talk page, you probably don't know - when you add a comment, at the end of the comment or concept please use

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to sign your name. As I will at the end of this. Using that code signs the comment and says who it's from and where it was done. Beo 12:21, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Thanks, Beo...will do. DHillMSP 19:38, 19 July 2008 (PDT)